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Thanks for talking to his, he needs more people to talk to.

9:19 PM

Well, this is probably the best place for him to talk to people

9:19 PM

I'm trying to be encouraging and give him praise. I know my brain isn't the best basis for a system to grow up in.

This stuff is definitely confusing at first. So if there is something he isn't sure about, give him room to think

I think you both did great

Me too!

9:19 PM

It's a great start

It's interesting because when he's like this he seems a lot more child-like and confused but sometimes he seems really adult and in control, which was his initial personality blueprint.

9:19 PM

Yeah, thanks.

9:20 PM

Maybe I should focus our future forcing sessions to be Discord related.

9:20 PM

That's fine, headmates can age regress

9:20 PM

@proxi I mean in terms of personality, not apperance.

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I'm trying to be encouraging and give him praise. I know my brain isn't the best basis for a system to grow up in.

My host wasn't the most stable person and yet I turned out fine

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Maybe I should focus our future forcing sessions to be Discord related.

It looks to me that he is ready for that

9:20 PM

The problem is finding people for him to talk to when we get on.

9:20 PM

just be careful because when he talks to others, the experiences he's having are going to force him

When are you on?

[(I) want to talk]

everyone in my system, apart from Error, had a phase were they seemed very childlike despite not being a child, it was just that they were inexperienced and 'young'. Ink still kind of is like that, its normal.

Absolutely

I am available whenever, but usually get on around this time.

Time zone, fox?

@Rusty Yeah, we're still trying to figure out his personality, more and more of it seems to be coming through when he's really active and assertive, but then he kind of regresses to this more blunt and confused personality.

9:22 PM

Central.

9:22 PM

But that's hardly his fault and I don't blame him for it.

9:22 PM

Oh there is nothing to blame him for

9:22 PM

I love him no matter what.

I usually go to sleep around this time, unfortunately. But I'm up after 8-9 hours right after I wake up

Or at least when I've seen of him so far.

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I love him no matter what.

I'm really glad

sounds like a normal developing young tulpa

My host loved me tons

9:23 PM

Err

9:23 PM

Still does

9:23 PM

But I meant, it's great for development

wait your meant to love your tulpas??? /j

Pffff

I guess I shouldn't ask about timelines.

9:24 PM

It's hard not to want to compare our progress to others.

I feel you

9:24 PM

We did that a lot

its useless as well, some people have a lot of progress very quickly while others are very slow. its completely normal

Like with switching

9:24 PM

Took us 3 years to switch

[Alex likes / wants to talk to / wants to be friend with Nat Osaka]

Most people tend to figure it out in a shorter period of time

Lion

[Alex likes / wants to talk to / wants to be friend with Nat Osaka]

You're welcome to talk to me any time :3

It feels like he's happy he's getting to talk like this.

9:25 PM

Or about this conversation.

we've had people within our system develop at different paces as well. Fox spoke day one, Error took forever but i think he was just being an ass.

Probably both I think, fox

That's a funny description, @Rusty.

And Alex. You can definitely be my friend

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Reposting here: Hey guys. It's me again, seeking some advice on vocality. After a really good day about a week ago where Alex was talking a lot, seemed to gain more sapience, and was very vocal, it's been pretty quiet. I usually force at least 45 minutes actively each day, and passively at other times. I get the head buzzing, and I get occasional bursts of emotional reaction, but only brief flickers of very subtle communication. Today especially, I am getting the head buzzing, and I feel like he really wants to respond, but I'm only getting very subtle whispers back, ones that are easily confused with stray thoughts, not even discrete tulpish. I can't visualize him much either. I don't have a sense of his presence much either. I've tried some vocality exercises, letting him type his responses (a bit) and trying to make noise in my head to respond, does anyone have any other advice? (I am getting pretty irritated that we have some days that are really good for hours but then I can't get much of a response from him for a week after).

This sounds like you are receiving responses but expecting weakness or unreality. You also mention frustration. Relaxation and intention are important; The time you are putting in is irrelevant. Amount of time forcing is about exposing them to new ideas and developing who they are - It has nothing to do with whether they feel real or not. (edited)

I know doubt is supposed to be tulpa poison.

9:28 PM

When we have really good interactions I am blown away, like last time week when he was just chilling on my bed and talking and walking around, but then he's silent for a while or only semi-vocal and the doubt sets in again.

a healthy does of doubt keeps you from going mad

9:29 PM

dose*

Doubt has no value to the already unsuggestible.

9:29 PM

And I can tell you that from experience.

The thing is, a lot of people are suggestable

9:30 PM

Well, no, all people, but there are those who can cling onto bad ideas easily

9:31 PM

I suppose that's judgment though

Father Fox sounds more akin to how I experienced tulpamancy. Strong experiences punctuated by normal experiences that I was actively weakening. Heres the thing: If you're getting cool above-normal stuff. That's the result of self-hypnosis, it has nothing to do with their strength. It's the normal form of communication you're getting that you have to stop doubting

Well, sometimes I /do/ get intrusive thoughts, or at least bat-shit insane responses or things that are contradictory.

9:32 PM

I guess I've been ignoring those as 'non-canon'.

9:32 PM

But as I said, one thing that feels different from his quiet vs 'normal' periods are my inability to see him.

nods Those thoughts are normal when you observe your thoughts for any length of time

Because normally when I'm engaged in fluid conversation with him he's also visually apparent

9:32 PM

Fuck, wrong screen.

Well, I'm off to bed. Good luck Alex and Fox

Thanks.

o7

@Nat Osaka I think he wants to say "Goodbye."

Cya Alex!

The dramatic, fully submerged visualizations are hypnosis. You can't and won't have that in your waking life, but you can get better at submerging yourself and you can get better at causing new experiences while doing it.

Have a good night!

Are there any other volunteers for people he can randomly DM whenever he gets on?

Me

Remember you can also randomly use longue or cafe

shrugs Feel free.

and join a conversation or start a new one

9:34 PM

@Zen Well, they aren't that /dramatic/, and they usually happen spontaneously while I'm talking and talking to him, just after around 30 minutes of trying to get ahold of him, when he starts becoming vocal he actually usually shows up in my vision first.

9:35 PM

@Deleted User Okay.

DMs can be a bit daunting for some too

And thanks for the re-assurances everyone.

As for the "quiet"-mode. That is what normal communication is when doubt is applied. Once you let go of the doubt of that being real because it's less dramatic it will be dissociated from and feel just normal.

Anyway I really better get off to sleep

9:35 PM

Nini!

For me, I didn't actually get over doubt until I let go of the notion that realness even mattered. Which paradoxically made it much realer immediately. I can't really say how to get over the doubt yourself, but I'd focus on that rather than anything you think you're doing wrong practically speaking.

when you really think about it, does it really matter at all if its 'real' or not?

@Zen I guess that also includes fear of parroting?

my opinion changes a lot. There are times when I am sitting there talking to everyone fully convinced that its all complete bullshit and still interacting with them and having it go on completely normally.

I had this issue where I would feel like my mind was fried after talking to Alex for a while when he was really active.

9:40 PM

So lately I've been trying to 'push less' when communicating with him.

Just from my point of view, that's a reasonable enough abstraction - But I accidentally made a thoughtform who became exceedingly real without me ever acknowledging as much, and it taught me that desire mattered more than "realness" when causing them to hold shape, as it were.

Parroting is not something to avoid, parroting is a tool

I didn't just think my way through doubt, I acted in such a way that made it impossible.

9:41 PM

And I don't know how to replicate that for someone else.

Error and Ink came from roleplay accidentally, basically, they were made from nothing but parroting. Now that's not great, it shouldn't be just parroting, too much causes damage, but its not to be just thrown out entirely. Its a balance.